563.rash on chin Moderated discussion and help for gluten free, coeliac, celiac, wheat allergies or intolerance, Cookery and recipes part 5

rash on chin: from Jennelle on 2009-11-11

If vasaline makes it worse consiter that it may be perioral dermatitis. Or another form of dermatitis. Petrolium based products tend to cause this eruption wich is esentially an alergic reaction

Re: rash on chin: from Jenny on 2010-02-23

Well I am joining the list! I have had this rash for 15 years! Same thing, small red bumps that fill with fluid then scab. Very painful, been to too many dermatologists to count! Been on everything known to man! Had biopsys, allergy tests. If it's out there I've tried rubbing it on, tried not eating it, tried not using it etc....!!! This crap is sooooooo annoying I can't tell you the frustration! If anyone knows or has any advice please---I am at the end of my rope

Re: rash on chin: from Misty on 2010-03-01

I have been getting this clusterlike rash on my chin maybe twice a year for the past 3 years. Before anything is visible, it will itch extremely bad. I will wake up with this gross cluster of clear fluid filled bubbles. I went to my dermatologist 2 years ago and he said that he thought it was a fever blister. Me and all immediate family members have never had a single fever blister ever. I did however have a Hepatic Adenoma that erupted and blew out half of my liver 4 years ago. The reason I'm telling you this is because of the massive amount of blood I received before my operation. My dermatologist said that I possibly could have gotten some infected blood during my transfusion. That blew my mind...to think I have gone all my life without fever blisters and wham, all of the sudden now!

Each time I get one of these on my chin, I treat it as a cold sore. I have taken Valtrex and tried every remedy out there on the web! They ooze, then crust over and shrink up. What else could they be? They are so embarassing

Re rash on chin: from Tamara on 2010-06-07

Hi, you and I must have been removed at birth! I have EXACTLY the same stuff you have, including seborrheic dermatitis. My dermatitis responds well to Selsun blue, though that's some nasty chemical stuff so I try to use it sparingly and only at the onset of a flare up. As for the red rash on my chin...I've had it for about 9 months now. It comes and goes, but I just had a really stressful month and the whole thing flared up. I got a facial on Saturday (all natural, organic, local products) and this morning (Monday) when I got up, the whole infected area was covered with skin peel, which from everything I read seems to be a good thing and a sign of healing. Let's hope. Be this as it may, why is it that doctors simply shrug and send us on our marry way? I can't imagine that in today's day and age, they have no clue what this is or how to help remove the cause of it. Lame

Re: rash on chin: from machele on 2010-06-23

OMG! I am having the same problem. I have what seems to be heat rash on my chin that resurfaces every summer. This year it has spread to my finger tips! My finger tips look like I've been soaking them in dish washing liquid. I don't know what is going on

Re: rash on chin - caused by Staph: from Lucy on 2010-07-05

Could both the rashes and gluten intolerance be caused by a systemic 'occult' Staph aureus infection which damages the gut lining and causes skin eruptions?

I also have the weeping red pin dot rashes and bumps, preceded by itching/ stinging that you describe - there follows a detailed description for others who may be experiencing various intermediate stages of this rash - sorry for the length. I am in my late 30s and previously have not had bad zits/ skin problems for over 10 years. There was a definite onset to these symptoms which seems to have coincided with a (new) adverse reaction to wheat as well as soy and oats - consumption of these makes me feel rather ill and hungover the next day or two. I am convinced that a bacterial infection (Staph/MRSA?) is the cause of both the gluten/ carb issues and rashes. (I also never previously had mouth ulcers).



My gluten sensitivity arose a year ago following a severe illness with high fever, very runny nose, painful chest, night sweats, diarrhea, and flu like symptoms including bad headaches, weakness, body aches and tingling nerves. Some of these symptoms have recurred since then periodically and I have lost about 20 pounds since (unintentionally).



I have also developed scaly, burning, rashes, starting at the corners of the mouth which split. Initially, I was only getting isolated red bumps around the mouth/nose area which seemed to be painful zits that took 10 days - 2 weeks to go away. These progressed to include scaling, intense itching and a papery skin texture along the vermilion border.The rash is exacerbated by sunlight (quickly comes up with redness, swelling and pain), and was initially incorrectly diagnosed as herpes. More recently it has come up as large, linear welts which subside leaving a rash of gritty, weeping red pin dots as others here have described - extremely painful/ stinging and spreading down to chin and up across cheeks - also hideous to look at - resolves following a crusting/ scaling stage. The rash erupts with stress. An allergist diagnosed this as a Staph infection and prescribed antibiotics (Bactrim and a nasal ointment) which helped a lot but did not get rid of the problem entirely.I have had a few, much milder flare ups since, comprising scaling lips, redness/ discoloration and gritty bumps around the mouth and chin.



Most recently, a dermatologist diagnosed this rash as perioral dermatitis. One of the oral treatments for this is doxycycline - also prescribed for staph - hmmm. I was also prescribed a topical ointment (Finacea) that I am trying which has azelaic acid as the active ingredient. It stings a bit and has not helped as yet. Other advice is to avoid toothpaste with sodium laureth sulfate and cinnamon flavorings - these suggestions have also not helped yet. I am on a gluten free diet and supplementing with probiotics and allicin (garlic derived) in an attempt to lessen any residual infection without engendering resistance - a naturopath suggested these and they seem to be helping rather slowly. I'm also limiting starchy carbs and avoiding sugar (which bacteria love) and alcohol.



Other intermittent symptoms include periodic diarrhea (severe - episodes lasting up to 10 days), irritation and reddening of mucus membranes, especially in eyes, abdominal pains, mouth ulcers, hair loss, fatigue.

Diagnoses since onset include: Herpes simplex (I am negative for HSV I and II), contact dermatitis, eczema, Staph infection (given Bactrim antibiotics but no culture was obtained), lupus (a repeat test was negative), perioral dermatitis

Re rash on chin: from bethany on 2010-07-23

i get the same thing that everyone is talking about, and i have no idea what it is and neither do any of my doctors, im still in high school and got it right after i returned from china, i assumed maybe it was something i got over there, but i just got it again today, i have a scar from the last time, and its in the same exact spot! this is driving me insane

Re: rash on chin: from andrea on 2010-08-19

my son has same thing he is 8..did you find out what it is??? i have no clue and it bothers me more than him?? thanks

andrea in NJ

Re: rash on chin: from Neytiri on 2010-11-05

Hi!

I have recently been diagnosed with a gluten allergy, and my pediatrician thought I had impentaigo when I was about 7 or 8. Later, people just assumed it was a "cold sore" or fever blister. I now have small painful rashes and "acne-like" bumps on my face.

I put Caladryl on my blisters to make them dry up over night (the pink kind works great...the clear kind does NOT). If they pop, they hurt and itch, but if I can dry them up before they get larger, they don't bother me as much.

Anyone have advice for preventing these blisters all together? Have they gone away once you stopped eating gluten?

Thanks

Re: rash on chin: from Jeff Altorfer on 2010-11-30

Rash on Chin and responses:



Yes, they often go away with a (truly) gluten free diet, as will other fungal infections: dandruff, jock-itch, athletes foot, toe fungus etc.. That is the simple answer which may or may not apply to you.



In terms of alleviating the symptoms (only) in the short term (they will likely return unless the underlying cause if found and corrected) you can often remedy simple superficial infections (like you describe), naturally/safely through letting nature fight the war for you.



Try smearing/rubbing on some (plain/unflavored varieties only) of yogurt at bedtime (or when home/in private) or much better please use Kefir (Turkish/Russian yogurt drink with usually upwards of 10 types of active bacteria cultures). a very thin layer/application and the live and active organisms will often though not always do a fine job displacing/controlling the harmful ones without clobbering what is left of you own beneficial organisms or upsetting other bodily systems. The Kefir will often contain a safe/beneficial staph sub-species that will fight harmful staph/strep -- it also works on certain upper respiratory infections and yeast super-infections in the mouth/throat, and even intestinal (where it is most effective if ingested with a carrier or pre-biotic (as differentiated from a "pro"biotic , which can also help but fulfills a different role). I routinely drink a small amount of prune juice mixed with the yogurt/kefir, but true pre-biotics like inulin or the fibers of many plants like jeruselem articokes, leeks, asparagus, etc. also works.).



Alternately, I have found that upsetting the Ph balance (baking soda (+) or apple cider vinegar (-)) has effect as well. I suggest the vinegar first, organic/live if possible but any will work to a degree (if Ph is part of the problem). You need not put it on full strength, but diluted it with water until you find out your skin tolerance/reaction. Stop right away if any undesirable effects occur. Try the bicarbonate solution if nothing happens. These effects are usually very short term and require several days to get results.





In so far as what can cause this infection/condition: A body's response to its celiac condition / gluten intolerance -- remember it is a continuum of symptoms and severity and not necessarily a discreate condition (is / is not) -- frequently results in the body not being able to identify and control fungal infections AND their possible attendant superinfections. One of the occasional symptoms of celiac disease, dermatitis herpetiformis (which itches quite severely) frequently results in skin breakage and staph or strep superinffection and cellulitis which can be quite dangerous if left untreated. (though I have had success in controlling these with topical yogurt/kefir IT is not enough and should only be used for this if real medical treatment is not available. In addition to the direct and acute dangers of these infections there is also potential for staph/strep infections to cause a dangerous reaction/autoimmune response in other parts of the body if left untreated: Seek immediate medical care if you think you have either of these)



While the best thing is a proper elimination diet diagnoses, not everyone is ready to undertake this significant effort, particularly during the holidays. I suggest the following as a first effort (NOT instead of that!):



If you are disciplined enough, as little as 7-10 days of sticking to preparing EVERY single thing you eat from scratch with whole and unrefined ingredients can often reveal the problem through dramatic improvements in some symptoms. This is much easier than a longer, true elimination diet and all the research and focus required to do that if you go it alone (without council or formal care).



If you choose the short term preliminary assessment approach make sure to use ingredients that obviously must not contain gluten. For example, select only whole foods and NO prepared refined/processed foods. Choose foods that you like/love and can eat somewhat to excess for this very short time. Remember, this is for the short term (ONLY) and this is very simple to do, the nutritional holes and excesses, as compared to a healthy balanced diet, will do no lasting damage over a short period, and the potential benefit is huge. If you have any underlying conditions/medication issues that you are aware of be sure to ask a doctor what the effects might be. but don't let one summarily talk you out of doing it either, they are SO very often wrong with gluten/celiacs disease and the tests they use are NOT diagnostic either, merely investigative and that is a very different standard. they are often very poorly informed (some Scandinavian countries now have at least two more tests that are used elsewhere).



Simply avoid all Wheat, Barley, Rye (remember to eliminate the beer/alcohol glutens for this period too) by eating/preparing only whole vegetables, fruits, root crops, fresh un-injected/unflavor enhanced meat/fish (many apparently fresh but packaged meats (like pork) are injected with flavor enhancing solutions of salt and wheat/barley based flavorings). Remember, in Britain/Ireland/Austrailia this means avoid marmite/vegamite too -- American versions of these are gluten free).



Try the topical treatment first, just to see if it works for your symptoms (Positive results in less than two days or it's not working). Then move on to the short term "NO GLUTEN diet", then even if you get positive results I suggest a proper elimination diet at the time of your convenience/chosing