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2001-07-27 Welcome to the Food Combining and Hay Diet Discussion area.

Use this forum to discuss anything related to these topics.

Peter

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2001-08-09 hi i was wondering how this diet is going for everyone. my reasoning for trying this diet is because i have a large amount of gas and i thought this would help. i would like anyone to let me know how it is going for them. thank you linda

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2001-08-11 hi peter i was wondering how many starch meals you can have in a day?thank you linda

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2001-08-12 You can have as many starch meals as you need.

If I am doing hard physical work, or going out walking all day, I would have three starch meals in a day.

Peter

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2003-04-09 Hi linda,

My experince is simailar to your experience. What I found was that I needed to go on a 'cleansing program' in order to expell the waste material that had built up in the digestive system. Mucosa build up is the breding ground for many forms of aliments, especially the EDV, Chronic Fatigue etc. What I experienced was, that while the Food Combining program minimised the difficulty, it took a very long time to reduce the mucosa buildup. I do believe that Food Combining is vital for long term health. Long term also means a long time to effect change in some instances, although there are immediate benefits too.

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Crys2006-02-14 I've been doing this for a couple of weeks now, and I feel like my body is getting back into balance. I started it to resolve disgestive problems and to see if it affected a long-standing rash I've had on my leg, and to my pleasure, both have begun to resolve!

I'm so surprised nobody else is really doing this, or why this diet hasn't taken off. If it truly works, why are there so many people doing Atkins and South Beach and starvation? This way of eating is so satisfying, it tastes great and it's good for you...who would want to do anything else?

I've also noticed that other food-combining advocates like Suzanne Somers and Marilu Henner say it's okay to eat tomatoes with starch, but that doesn't seem to align with Dr. Hay's diet. Peter, do you eat tomatoes with starch? As in, pasta with marinara?

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Peter2006-02-14 The tomato is a fruit. I eat it with starch. I cannot see why this might be a problem.

Peter

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Geri2006-02-15 hi, our family first started eating more vegies, then more raw fruits and vegies, and green smoothies. It all started with my fiance telling me you shouldn't combine fruits with vegetables. Boy did he open up a whole can of worms. Now we are food combining! we've only been doing it for a week or so. We're soooo confused. It looks like we can't have pasta with red sauce (tomatoes?) that would be a starch and a fruit?? Also my baby loves our home made whole wheat bread with hummus. Now that is a heavy starch with a protein, right?? so now how is he going to eat his hummus? in celery?? He can't chew celery yet!!! We are having a rough time. But I sure do feel good and I can tell my digestive enzymes are starting to balance themselves out. I feel soooo alert and SHARP from eating so many raw fruits and vegetables, and food combining.

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Pat2006-03-16 My husband and I are trying food combining, it has been very difficult for me since I am the only person who does any cooking and trying to find tasty recipes is very difficult. I keep eating the same things over and over and over, gets boring. I found in one section on this site about veggies to eat with anything and they included peas (fresh) and sweet corn. This seems odd to me since sweet corn is a starch and I assume the peas are perhaps sugar snaps. Also on another area Peter said he eats tomatoes with starch, does that include tomatoes and pasta?
I need to do something before I fall off the wagon. Can anyone help?

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2006-03-16 Sweet corn contains about 17% starch and 2.55% protein
green peas contain about 10% starch and 5% protein

Compare that with pasta at around 30% starch - for cooked and ready to eat
or baked potato at 21% starch

The original Hay diet (food combining) is a matter of getting foods in balance, and creating a healthy diet that you are able to follow and enjoy.
Many authors have since added many rules and regulations for which there is no evidence that they have any value.

Each meal should either focus on the starch, or focus on the protein, but most foods contain some of each. So consider the proportions of each in the complete meal.

Tomato and pasta is fine by me!

Peter

Zone vs Hay

Jeff2006-04-03 Greetings,
I have been studying the Zone Diet over the weekend and I was just about to start it; then I found your website. At first I became very confused. Here's one person saying ... stay away from strach and then this other saying its ok.

After reading and reading this site, I'm begining to think that the Zone Diet and the Hay Diet both work. Though the Zone recommends you stay away from starch, its ok as long as you combine it properly with other items. or eat alone ... like rice.

I'm looking to get my blood sugar low and stable ... while I lose weigh. Can you comment for somone is still a bit confused?

best regards,
Jeff

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Rob2006-04-19 Hi Peter, i have to take some tablets with a non protein lite food do you know of any non protein foods Many thanks Rob

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Peter2006-04-19 A slice of bread should be suitable for tablets that must not be taken with protein.

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Tulip2006-04-27 Peter, I'm a little confused by the recipe for pancakes on your website. Why is it that pancakes are a strach food when they are made with eggs? Please explain.

Thanks! ;)

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Peter2006-04-28 Almost all foods contain some protein and some carbohydrate.
Each cereal grain consists of a store of protein for the germinating shoot and roots, plus a store of starch that provides the energy for initial growth.
A leafy vegetable will contain some protein in every cell, as well as small amounts of carbohydrate.
Meat, although much higher in protein, also contains some carbohydrate.

A healthy meal is therefore never just starch or just protein. What matters is the overall balance of starch and protein. You are looking at starch meals as low in protein, not no protein.

A loaf of bread is 10% protein, 40% starch by weight
Pancakes are about 6% protein, 24% starch by weight

so the ratio of protein to starch is the same.

The egg is a very useful ingredient in food preparation. I wouldn't discard it in order to try and reduce further protein in starch meals.

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Tulipsaki2006-04-30 Thank you for your answer. Another couple of questions, if you don't mind, please, is how long it takes to see digestive improvement, especially reducing flatulence and diarrhea? Also, if a person has low blood sugar and can't stay the full four hours between meals, can the time be reduced to three hours (I can manage that without symptoms)? Even with vegetables in between, I find my blood sugar dropping and feeling very unwell, and then eating too much at the next meal.

Thanks so much in advance for your help.

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Peter2006-04-30 Time to see an improvement can be very variable.
Some people can see the difference in a few days. For others it takes time for the digestive system to recover, and for symptoms of malnutrition from a badly functioning digestive system to disappear. This can be over a year.
Most people will notice an improvement within a few days or weeks.

As for time between meals, we are all different. pay attention to what your body is telling you - don't fight it, work with it.

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Tulipsaki2006-04-30 Thank you for your answer. Another couple of questions, if you don't mind, please, is how long it takes to see digestive improvement, especially reducing flatulence and diarrhea? Also, if a person has low blood sugar and can't stay the full four hours between meals, can the time be reduced to three hours (I can manage that without symptoms)? Even with vegetables in between, I find my blood sugar dropping and feeling very unwell, and then eating too much at the next meal.

Thanks so much in advance for your help.

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Tulipsaki2006-05-05 Can you take diet soda with a protein meal?

Thanks.

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Peter2006-05-05 I always think that fresh water is the healthiest option with any meal.
(It is also better than bottled water unless you live in a country where the tap water is not properly treated)

Diet soda is simply very expensive water with a little added fizz ( CO2) so you can drink it with any meal.

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Tulip2006-05-05 Thank you for your quick response! ) Also, I have had a tendency to nervous breakdowns thanks to a chronic fatigue problem I had ten years ago (I've never been able to take stress that well since) and I recover from illness very slowly. No doctor has a cure. Will the hay diet help me become stronger physically and not be susceptible to nervous breakdowns?

HELP

Dan2006-05-29 hi
in spain we dont have horseradish sauce.we get the plain horseradish but in dont know how to make the so called double cream and couldnt find recipes on it. without knowing what to mix the plain horseradish with, its no use having bought it. please tell me how to make it.

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Peter2006-06-02 You will find this in the recipes section

http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/foodc/horseradish_sauce_.html

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Luna2006-06-02 Dear Peter,
Is food combining really safe for children? I ve just read your 'Diet for Life Stages', but I read statements from an health expert that food combining should not be done by kids and teenagers because they are in growth periode, and food combining is good only for overweight/obese person. Are there special 'safety requirements' for children before start this diet - maybe age, weight, or healthy status?

What are benefit of food combining for children, especially for 0-13 years age children? How with your kids, are they a 'food combiner' too? What are they comments about they experience? Thanks for your answers!

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2006-06-02 Some authors advocate a much more severe and restrictive version of food combining.
I would not consider those suitable for children.
I don't think that following a lifestyle diet such as this should be rigorously imposed on children, or it can lead to psychological problems with eating, particularly in the teenage years.

However if it is used, to lead by example and cut out or cut down on cakes, biscuits, crisps and those other products made from mixtures of highly refined fat, sugar and white flour, then it will help them develop healthy eating habits.

The main thing is that children should be eating a varied diet that includes plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables, and sufficient fat for their needs - and getting plenty of exercise.

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luna2006-06-03 Dear Peter,

Thank you very much for your quick response! I ve been a 'food combiner' since 2000 (but not so obedient -) ). Until now, I start my day with a glass of calamondin juice, and plenty of fruit afterwards. Believe it or not, my gastric problem never have a relapse (I'm sure you know how sour is calamondin juice). It usually has relapse when I start to eat at random. Ok, just for your information. Again, thank you for this useful discussion forum!

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Terence Martin2006-10-03 Is it advisable to combine meat, beans and tomato - i.e, is it OK to eat chilli on the Hay Diet?

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Peter2006-10-03 Dr Howard Hay had a thing about tomato - he didn't like them!
I would quite happily eat meat, beans and tomato. I don't see a problem there.

acid reflux and headaches

Allison2006-10-25 Hi

I suffer badly from acid at night and the pain in my eosophogus seems to radiate up to my ears, and I have such terrible headches just lately. It seems to be worse when I eat or drink warm foods. And I find that if I eat bread or pasta ithurts to swallow or it feels like I am swallowing a rock, is this because of the starch? I am learning reflexology and it is my tutor who told me about this way of eating, I live in spain and it would be easier for my daughter to purchase the book back in the uk can you tell me where she would be able to get hold of a copy of your book?

I feel this might be the only way forward for me now as the omeprozol doesn't seem to work anymore and I am feed up with treating this with pills and potions.


I have been told that my cholesterol is quite high will this way of eating along with exercise help to reduce it?

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Peter2006-10-25 If it is only bread or pasta, and not potato or meat that hurts, then you may have an allergic reaction that is causing your problems.
Look at the gluten-free website at http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/glutenfree/index.html

Otherwise I would suggest trying to sleep in a sitting upright position to avoid the reflux, and see your doctor as soon as possible to investigate why this is causing you so much pain.

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Peter2006-10-27 Tofu is a concentrated protein, and rice is mostly starch, so these are a combination to avoid.
The concept of acid and alkaline foods started with a misunderstanding of the reference to foods rich in the alkaline earth elements in Dr Hay's writings. Spinach is a vegetable like any other leafy vegetable, and can be eaten with either a starch or a protein meal.

Starch breaks down into sugars as you digest it. The main disadvantage of adding pure sugar is the surge of sugar into the bloodstream shortly after you eat a meal. You can train your taste buds to eat cereal without any added sugar

Combining wheat with proteins

Shabazz2006-12-18 Hello.

First of all, I am fairly new to this "eating healthy thing" but I am eager to maintain a new way of eating properly.I am getting conflicting information regarding combining wheat with proteins. On one hand I read, wheat is a starch. I know starches and proteins don't make for a good combination. Then, I read wheat bread high in protein is good with tofu and other proteins. What does this mean? I can have my beef and eat wheat too, or not? I am working hard to improve my eating habbits. One of the things that I am trying to do is avoid eating proteins with starches. So can I eat a turkey sandwhich with whole wheat bread or not? Can I eat eggs and turkey sausage with buckwheat pancakes or not? Can I eat brown rice with tuna in a red panang curry sauce from Trader Joe's or not? Can I eat my oatmeal with soy milk or any type of milk(except any homoginized milk) for that matter, or not? Can-I-live?? Someone........help-me-live! LOL!

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Peter2006-12-18 Bread is predominantly starch, even if it has a lot if fiber in it.
Buckwheat is high in starch. so is brown rice.
Don't eat them with:
Tuna, turkey, eggs, soya (soy), tofu which are high in protein.

Sausage is a mixture of starch and meat which is best avoided.

You can eat your oatmeal with dairy cream.

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Shabazz2006-12-19 Is 2hrs a good amount of time between eating a starchy meal and a meal high in protein? How long before its safe to eat dessert?Thanks Peter (also for answering my first question).

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Lyn2007-02-09 Hi,

I've been searching for recipes that will encourage my family to follow a food-combining diet without feeling they're missing out on anything, and have found some very useful ones on your site - especially for starch meals, which can be tricky! The apple gingerbread and flapjacks got a big thumbs-up, so many thanks for those...

One thing we all love, and I'm not sure how it fits into food combining, is curry. I am told that this is a bad thing, but can't quite see why - if a curry is made by marinading the meat in yoghurt, then cooking with the ground spices, is that not ok? What if it's a recipe that requires tomatoes e.g. rogan josh? I can see that you wouldn't be able to have rice or naan bread etc with it, but presumably they would be allowed if you made a vegetable-based curry? As far as I can see, curry could fit in as either a protein or starch meal, but I'd be grateful for your advice on this.

Many thanks!

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Peter2007-02-09 Hi Lyn

I don't see any problem with curry, made as you suggest. You can make it either as a protein meal or as a starch meal with suitable choice of ingredients.

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barb2007-02-12 I am totally confused with this way of eating. I am told that I have a sensitivity to

bananas, chocolate,oats and dairy. I am a vegetarian and find that all of the foods I eat are taken away. Is there an easy way to put this plan in use

Thanks you

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Peter2007-02-12 If you have medically diagnosed problems with certain foods, then you need to give consideration of the problems that this causes the highest priority.
Following the hay diet doesn't alter what foods you can eat - it only suggests that you consider the balance between foods rich in protein and those rich in starch, and don't eat foods rich in protein at the same time as those rich in starch.

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Pauline2007-04-15 Firstly thank you for the service you offer on this site. the only question i have are chick peas (canned) protein or carb. Regards, Pauline

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Peter2007-04-15 Chickpeas are one of those difficult foods that come right in the middle.
They have about 23 % protein and 47% starch.

I would make a meal of chickpeas with vegetables, but wouldn't add other starch or protein to the meal.

Chickpeas are a rich source of dietary fiber, and they digest slowly.

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Louise Steyn2007-04-21 Peter, why do we have asterisks in front of milk and cream in Oils and Fat: Is this the "moderation only" foods?

Thanks

Louise

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Peter2007-04-21 The asterisks were for good sources of calcium.
There was a caption in the book, but it has become separated on the web.

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Louise2007-04-21 I have just stumbled across this diet. Was following the New Beverly Hills Diet and since following the modified version of it, have not had any heartburn or the like. But I cannot see myself eating fruit only for a day! Now I am lookin for alternative food combining diets, as it makes me feel on a permanent high. It is fun combining and makes you feel in control.

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Louise Steyn2007-04-22 Hi again Peter,

Mmm, you are a fast one! In my quest to find a diet I could stick to, Weighless approved Cadbury Hot Chocolate Lite. Ingredients: Skim Milk Powder, Whey Powder, Cocoa Powder, Salt, Magnesium Carbonate, Thickener, Aspartame (oops), Acesulfame K, *Contains Penylalanine

per serving: Energy 207kj Protein 3.1g Carbs 9g, Fats 0.3g Fibre 1.51g

Should I steer clear of this bedtime drink, which I normally drink with about 20ml cream?

I will do whatever you tell me to lose the weight.

Thanks

Louise South Africa

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Peter2007-04-22 Weight loss, and maintaining an optimum weight depend on keeping to a healthy balanced diet you can stick to, and getting enough exercise to balance what you eat.

Very few people ever achieve permanent weight loss on crash diets or temporary diets.

The core of a healthy diet is fresh fruit and vegetables, with a little fat (olive oil is best), a little fish and a little meat or cheese.

Anything else, such as cake, pastry, pizza, pies, alcohol of any sort, and drinks such as your hot chocolate will add weight. If you are really determined to lose weight, cut these out of your diet.

Re: Special needs Cerebral Palsy

Stacy2007-06-09 Hi ,

I have a three year old son with cerebral palsy and I recently changed hid diet over to food combining to because he had a lot of digestive problems and suffered from terrible reflux. The diet has worked miracles with his reflux, and he looks happy and healthy, but I just cannot get him to put on any weight, since starting the diet. Children with Cerebral Palsy have problems putting weight on anyway, any have extremely high energy requirements, but there is only so much you can get a three year old to eat. He also cannot tolerate a lot of foods which would be good for him, even if they are properly combined, like avocados, goats milk, cheese, bananas and most fruit. Also, all of his food has to be blended like a baby's. I really don't want to stop his food combining diet because it has helped him so much with his digestion. He has gone from being sick about ten times per day, to being sick about once a week. Big difference! Do you have any ideas on how I could tackle his diet, and get more calories into him?

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mary2010-01-17 Hi, thnx for very useful site. Many literature state that fruit should be mostly eaten on its own on an empty stomach? What would then be the ideal time gap be between the fruit and a protein or starch meal? thnx in advance